Sunday, September 23, 2012

blog 4

The Chrysanthemums By John Steinbeck and the Cathedral by Raymond Carver were two great stories. In Steinbeck's short story he uses alot of symbolism and gets the meaning across mostly how woman felt earlier in time when they werent looked at as equals to men. I got this from the fact that even as the story starts it even describes the ranch as being "Henry Allens foothill Ranch" even though he is married. As the story goes on there is a incident where the husband is talking to two guys in suits and made a buisness deal and didnt even include his wife and I think she didnt even know about it till after the fact and she asked HIM what the  two guys were there for, she wasnt treated as equal or partner in her relationship. I also think the flowers that Elisa planted symbolized her strength and intellegence as a woman because chrysanthemums are one of the tallest growing flowers and the strongest, and in the story it even describes her scissors as powerful and the stems seem to easy and small for her energy, I think that also symbolizes her as being a strong woman. Also the clothing, her outfit she used to garden, a mans black hat, clod-hopper shoes, and a big apron, you associate all this with masculine, in turn associate it with a man meaning intellegent, strong. And independent. The meaning of these clothes on Elisa was the idea that she and all women are as capable as men. When her husband left and the guy came and talked about all the things he did like fix pans and sharpen items and stuff I think is when we got a real look at Elisa's independence, will, and power,  she got really mad and defensive when the man first pulled up and asked her about directions and she told him, but I felt that he sort of questioned her answer when he first said "it might surprise you what them beast can pull or when he said " I aint in no hurry" I just felt everything she was saying he disagreed. I also feel that Elisa is sick of being treated like an inferior just because she is a woman and I don't see it when she is interacting with her husband but when she interacts  with the traveler man. I see this in some of her reactions like when he said he sharpened knives she comment the fact her knife was already sharpened and she doesn't need his help I also think the meaning for this was  she is her own woman and can handle her own. Another symbolic meaning in the story was when she told the drifter guy how to plant and raise these chrysanthemum flowers, her whole attitude changed after that " her eyes grew alert and eager" in this moment explaining the process of taking care of the flower, the process, water it, and how to transfer it I felt that was her strength and gift and I think it was meant to represent woman as a whole like look I am smart, I can do something on my own woman can stand up tall and strong just like the flower. Good story! Another story was the Cathedral which I really  loved, I felt this story meaning focused more on human ignorance and also acceptance. The narrator in the Cathedral is the husband and I know this because he says I a lot, through this whole story I think the husband is a bastard and he treats his wife like he doesn't love he'd in my opinion, more like he just like her if that. I see this because even at the beginning he talks about her friendship with this blind man and she wrote a poem and he goes on to say "I can remember I don't think much of the poem, anyway" throughout the story he is real dismissive about anything not containing to him like when he said he was gonna take the blind man bowling and he asked if his wife was a negro because her name was Beulah and he wasn't really compassionate about the wife passing. He was just a real ignorant shallow bastard. I believe the irony in the story was that the the friend was technically blind but the husband was the one that was really "blind" to his own ignorance. Saying things like blind people don't smoke and how can he be married to someone you can't see. I believe a really crucial time in the stories meaning was the incident when the husband asked the blind man if he had a tv, and to me this represented the period of time when there was racial discrimination laws and I also knew when the husband uses the word negro that it's during a time when segregation was "right", and when the blind man answered he has two and he always turns in the colored tv and for me I think that represents change and when he speaks bout the black and white he calls it old like in old ways we need to change. I don't know what I take from the ending I think after getting to know the blind man the husband kind of realized he misjudged and he is wrong and that was him closing his eyes and when he said "it's really something" but that's what I got from that.

5 comments:

  1. I agree that Elisa was tired of being treated like she was not capable because of her gender. She was irritated with the man because he kept telling Elisa he can fix her things for her. Like she could not do it herself. Later that night she was surprised with her husband. “I am strong? Yes, strong. What do you mean strong?” (421) It seemed as though that was the first time ever her husband was complimenting her on something besides her duties as a wife.
    In the “Cathedral” I believe the husband did love his wife. I think he was just jealous of the relationship she had with Robert. Its funny that you point out the irony that the husband is the one that is blind, because that is exactly what I thought. The husband did not think of Robert as a human being with real feelings or needs. It wasn’t until the end when the husband understands what Robert is going through. When the husband sees the world through Robert’s “eyes”.

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  2. I like your interpretation of both these stories. I agree with you that Elisa wanted to be treated as an equal to the men and be included in these important decisions. She is described as a strong, intelligent woman. I also got from the story that she did not feel attractive to her husband or other men even, her clothing in the beginning is described as being "men's clothing" and it hides all of her features, also i felt that she had some kind of attraction to the man that visited her farm she wanted to feel attractive to this man for some reason and once she saw her discarded chrysanthemums she felt rejected. I really like your description of the chrysanthemums, I felt that they showed her as being strong and intelligent. As for the cathedral I felt that the husband was very jealous of the blind man and the relationship he had with his wife. I agree with you that the husband was in the end the one that was actually blind.

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  3. Hi, Jessica, I really enjoyed the ways in which you demonstrated the use of symbols and meanings in The Chrysanthemums and Cathedral. The symbols of the “Gardening Costume” and the rest of her attire I saw important as well however, I saw the outfit as a means of covering up her self as well as her lack of self-image. I somehow got the impression that she did not feel she was very pretty. Nevertheless, I really enjoyed your perspective. I also saw a great deal of symbolism in the flowers as well. In the story Cathedral, I think you hit the nail on the head. Her husband is definitely an ignorant person. He probably has the same reaction to everything he does not understand. The constant reference to the blind is as you say, highly symbolic of the ignorance our society has towards anything different. The Poems and tapes they exchanged caused a great deal of jealousy in her husband and I felt they are also symbolic of his incapability to have a meaningful relationship with his wife let alone a decent set of friends as she so said. I enjoyed your perspective..

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  4. Your interpretations were really good. I completely agree with your interpretations of the Chrysanthemums. I also felt that Elisa was a strong woman and was trying to show it. When you said, "... I think it was meant to represent woman as a whole like look I am smart, I can do something on my own..." about that flower i found that very interesting and true. I viewed them more as her one area of her life that brings her joy. I also felt they showed what she desired. I partially agree with your interpretation of Cathedral. I don't feel the husband was completely at fault for the way he reacted. He still reacted wrongly but the wife "pushed" him to this point. Like you i agree that he was the truly blind one in the story. I feel he gains his sight at the end of the story. On another note i found your interpretations of the T.V.'s interesting. I didn't quite see them as symbols but i understand your view.

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  5. I completely forgot about the two business men in the beginning of The Chrysanthemums. Reflecting back to the story, I think that she was longing to be more deeply involved in the affairs of men because she wanted to be treated as an equal. This could explain why she gazed at the three men, because she imagined herself being a part of the conversation. As for her clothes, I did not get the impression that Elisa is naturally a strong, for lack of a better word, masculine woman. Instead it seemed to me that she was using her clothing to hide her other self, a feminine, passionate woman. Once she removed her work clothes, she dressed herself quite nicely with a finesse that made it seem that she already knew how to be feminine, but chose not to show it.

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